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@KevinMerck,
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For those who haven’t heard – it has now been established that WTC 1, 2, & 7 were not brought down by controlled demolition. This is claimed only by Jones, Harrit et. al. using scientifically rather embarrassing reports bypassing scientific scrutiny.
Yes, some scientists need to honor their scientific integrity.
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You don’t need to believe anything.
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All you need is scientific scrutiny.
For those who haven’t heard – it has now been established that WTC 1, 2, & 7 were brought down by controlled demolition. (nano-thermite, explosives and incendiaries, available only to the military, were found in WTC dust) (You guys in the military need to honor your oath)
(See A&E911truth)
You don’t need to believe in one of the conspiracy theories to support a legitimate investigation.
All you need is a conscience.
@beckhammaman,
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“plus he cant verify anything he says”
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Name one example. But don’t side track. Stick to the subject. I know I will stick to the subject, as I always do.
@beckhammaman
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“you say you’ve collected, verified and documented facts and evidence collected about the 19 hijackers points to a religiously motivated attack”
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A: Not quite, others have collected that data. I merely reference this data.
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“where are these ’19 hijackers’ whom you speak of?”
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A: They are all dead.
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“you say th ex general is wrong?”
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A: Yes, and I can prove that.
@beckhammaman,
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“wot exactly do you know about islam?”
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Ignoring your ad hominem, just google for my name “wim ahlers” combined with the keyword “islam” and you will find many reference. Many are Dutch. To get most of the English references google “wim”+site:whyislam. org (note: many of my entries have been deleted in the past years).
Here is a radom reference:
whyislam. org /forum /forum_posts. asp? TID=1342&PID=18484#18484
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What do you know about islam?
@KevinMerck,
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“Only a scumbag would contend that there’s been a real investigation when even the 911 Commission admits that never happened. ”
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The 9/11 Commission was not a technical investigation. There is scientific consensus as to what brought down the towers. This implies that the scientific community acccepts all the research as adequate. Only a truther will, of course, deny all of this.
@KevinMerck
dont worry about wimehler, he’s an ignorant dutch fool that refuses to believe anything anyone says. he’s drowning in his ignorance!
plus he cant verify anything he says. he talks so much shit about 9/11 being documented an wot not, when you ask him, he’ll change th bloody subject!
@KevinMerck,
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“They were granted immunity”
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Not true! Read the NIST statutes. These statutes basically states that NIST as an institution or any individual working for NIST is not responsible for the usage or consequences of the NIST data and can therefore not be subpoenaed. This was and is in their statutes from the beginning. This general statute has nothing to do with 9/11 or any other particular branch addressed by NIST.
@wimahlers
an you say you’ve collected, verified and documented facts and evidence collected about the 19 hijackers points to a religiously motivated attack, where are these ’19 hijackers’ whom you speak of? an where are all these documents? show me! lol
you say th ex general is wrong? buddy pretty sure he knows his job better than you know his job
you have to face th facts one day or another, or you can choose to ignore th truth, but it’ll bite you in th ass anyway.
@wimahlers
You say you know islam, wot exactly do you know about islam? hahaa yr dutch? i shoudlve known you were, im australian, here, we call all dutch people th nazi’s. th REAL terrorists who killed and severed hundreds an millions of jews, so why are you commenting on 9/11 when yr fukn dutch natives are responsible for th murders and deaths of millions of jews? get out of here, yr a joke!
The NIST report is not peer reviewed science. They were granted immunity from prosecution or they refused to lie for the government. They won’t release the computer models they used to reach their ridiculous conclusions, claiming it would pose a “danger to public safety. ” They won’t release information requested through FOIA.
NIST is obstructing justice.
Only a scumbag would contend that there’s been a real investigation when even the 911 Commission admits that never happened.
@KevinMerck,
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The NIST conclusion is accepted by the scientific consensus as documented by the changed ASCE rules based on this event and as confirmed by many universities publicly.
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In contrast to truther publications the NIST report was the result of many independent scientific institutions and is publicly critized before the official publishing. It was sceintifically reviewed.
@KevinMerck,
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NIST is exempted from subpoena for all their activities. This was true before, during and after 9/11. Reason: NIST are not responsible for any consequence resulting from any of their recommendations.
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NIST used propriety simulation software for the WTC7 collapse simulation. They can legally not make public the software they don’t own.
@charlesfloyb,
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“So how does this attack advance their religious cause? It doesn’t . . . doesn’t make sense ”
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Just because you cannot think of a reason you assume that there possibly cannot be a reason. You are wrong.
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Also, physical evidence and motivation are two separate issues. Your hypothesis must be based on physical evidence. It is NOT required that a crime must have a (sane) reason. The reason is therefore not a part of the core of your hypothesis. Please present your hypothesis!
@charlesfloyb,
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“My “hypothesis” is based on the all the relevant evidence. The stand down is an essential part of my “hypothesis”. ”
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Than please use it in your hypothesis. You can use from whatever source you possibly can use. But your hypotheis must stand on its own merits. You cannot claim this document is a lie/false . . . therefore . . . my hypothesis is valid/true.
So, let me rephrase:
Consider all official documents to be false, please now present YOUR hypothesis!
@charlesfloyb,
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“Lots of problems with this. 1st off, what motivation would the hijackers have?”
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Motivation? That is not part of the physical evidence but part of. . . well. . . the motivation!
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But, ok, to give you a hint the motivation is the same as the motivation for the:
Bali, London, Berlin and Madrid bombings. Inspired in the same way as the death threat on Salman Rushdie, the Danish cartoonist, Hirshi Ali, et. al.
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See also the Ramzi_Youssef/WTC/Al_Qaeda connection.
@charlesfloyb,
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“Think about the logic here please. Why would a smaller and weaker group try to attack a larger more powerful group?”
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There is no logic in martyrdom or religious fanatism.
You are desperately trying to invent a reason to suggest that a handfull of people will never attack a whole country. They did!
@charlesfloyb,
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War scenarios were based on military aircrafts crossing the US border from the outside. NORAD responded by bringing fighters to certain designated areas conform these war time scenarios.
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There was on and before 9/11/2001 no scenario for the 911 event. There was a scenario for hijacked airplanes. In this scenario one would let the airplane land and listen to the demands. There was no landing, there were no demands.
@charlesfloyb “19 religiously motivated hijackers hijacked 4 planes. Two of them destroyed the WTC complex totally. One destroyed the Pentagon partly. And one crashed near Shankesville. ” So how does this attack advance their religious cause? It doesn’t, therefore it just doesn’t make sense.
@wimahlers “Again, what was in or left out in whatever document is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with YOUR hypothesis. ” My “hypothesis” is based on the all the relevant evidence. The stand down is an essential part of my “hypothesis”. To have an attack on American Soil as a false flag, gives the war mongers the support of the public to invade the so called perpetrators. Without the false flag attack, you can’t attack Iraq or Afghanistan.
@wimahlers I say, “You don’t think the Secretary of Defense should’ve known this at the time?”
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You say, “No! Not necessarily. This was not a war scenario but a unique event at 9/11/2001. ”
Yes, this so called “unique event” as you call it is the United States being attacked. The one person that should be on top of all the incoming enemy air vessels should be the Secretary of Defense. But Cheney didn’t find it necessary to let him in on this?
@wimahlers Think about the logic here please. Why would a smaller and weaker group try to attack a larger more powerful group? It isn’t logical. Attacks are strategically made when you have a perceived military advantage. Strong attacks the weak, not vice versa. Just look at animals in the jungle, where you see the faster and stronger animal kill the prey. There is no reason for a handful of weak people to do this.
@wimahlers “19 religiously motivated hijackers hijacked 4 planes. Two of them destroyed the WTC complex totally. One destroyed the Pentagon partly. And one crashed near Shankesville. ” Lots of problems with this. 1st off, what motivation would the hijackers have? It’d be stupid to attack the United States knowing they’re more powerful and would smash anyone that tried.
NIST was in charge of the so-called investigation and they had to be granted immunity from prosecution.
They won’t release any of the computer models they used to reach their preposterous conclusions, claiming it would “endanger public safety” to do so.
None of their work is peer reviewed; it was all done behind closed doors and they won’t release data requested through the FOIA.
There is no peer reviewed science that supports the official conspiracy theory.
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